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Conversation With Irving Kawashima.
December 4, 2009 Irving wanted to know what was meant in the letter I sent asking about the count of permit holders. Expailned that this was needed to to better complete our recommendations. Told me that he is starting a munakea watch group , showed me the signs and vest’s. Said it was ok for us to go through the permits and get the info we needed. Also explained what we meant by time line, when the program would end, he said depends on weather there is more abuse or if the obuse seems to be stopping. So no clear date has been set. I told him as an individual i felt thet there are a lot of users not being identified on the mountain and that we are basically being singled out. Also discussed was if  the obuse was evident before the permit process and he yes it was , bikes atv’s and jeeps.

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